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Reinout van Rees wrote:
> Tim Hicks wrote:
>> Reinout van Rees wrote:
> 
>>> So... To me, there really have to be really good reasons not to turn
>>> them into skin templates. "Speed" is often quoted as a reason, but that
>>> might actually sometimes work against it.
>> I didn't write things this way with speed in mind, but rather, to make
>> reuse of the templates far easier across projects.  I'm pretty happy
>> with the results as I have now written two products based on this that
>> provide syndication feeds to many more object types
>> (PloneboardSyndication and a branch of ATCTSyndication).
> 
> For that, it seems to work OK. But wouldn't you be able to get the same
> result with a regular skin-based page template plus a view class in
> front of it?

That's actually how I wanted to implement things in the first place - 
for the reason that I wanted the template to be editable TTW, rather 
than for reasons of cacheability.  Do you have an idea of how to 
implement this?

> I'm not really in favour of doing some apache rewrite rule magic coupled
> with my own old home-brewn atom template just to get the caching right.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not telling you to rewrite everything. I'm just hoping for a
> solution somewhere. I get the feeling though that I've gotten more grief
> than goodies from hard-coded zope3 templates. View classes: great. Those
> templates: bah.

Yes, all is not completely perfect in the zope2+3 world ;-).  If you can 
implement this without breaking the reusability of the code, then that's 
likely to be fine with me.

>> It also seemed like the right pattern to follow as it is the new-fangled
>> Five/Zope3 way of doing things.  As that is the case, I presume people
>> are thinking/working on ways to resolve these caching issues.  Or maybe
>> that's just wishful thinking...
> 
> At the moment: yes. Mostly because cachefu does some hacky
> monkeypatching, using that monkeypatching with zope3's page template
> mechanism works, but not for quills' atom feed 'cause that's doing a bit
> too much magic acquisition or so. You'd have to ask Rocky Burt to be
> sure, though.
> 
> Perhaps I'm overlooking something or Rocky is overlooking something.

Perhaps... but I'm out of bandwidth for this stuff at the moment.


Tim